Monday 21 July 2008

Alvin, do you know that celibate is in the Bible?

My friends, don't you know why God created Eve? It's God's purpose to create woman for man, to unite together and help each other. But today in your Roman Catholic church, those people who want to serve God must devote themselves by staying unmarried, joined in friary/nunnery/monastery. No chance for those who married to go deeper in the Lord, eg: being Pope, Cardinal, Priest, Monk, Saint, etc.

Genesis 2:18

And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Genesis 2:24

Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall join to his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

You reason from the Scripture according to Paul's letter to Corinthians church.

1 Corinthians 7:32-35

I want you to be free from concerns. An unmarried man is concerned about the affairs of the Lord, that is, about how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world, that is, about how he can please his wife, and so his attention is divided.

An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the affairs of the Lord, so that she may be holy in body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world, that is, about how she can please her husband. I'm saying this for your benefit, not to put a noose around your necks, but to promote good order and unhindered devotion to the Lord.

And because of this doctrine, those who really have heart to serve Lord must go to monastery and remain unmarried for the whole life, devoted to God only. There is nothing wrong if the people really agree without force from the church to be unmarried. But there is something wrong, if all the people who want to serve the Lord as Priest, Nun, etc must be unmarried.

I wonder how this doctrine can be made, since even your first 'Pope' which is Peter (something that I always rejected in my heart) had mother in law, that means he had wife, that means he was married.

Mark 1:30

Now Simon's mother-in-law was lying in bed, sick with a fever, so they promptly told Jesus about her.

Actually, you shouldn't have any argument about Celibacy. It should be optional, not forceful.

What if the nun or the friar who went into the monastery when he/she was still so young, 16 years old, never knew about passion, lust or love. Then when they reached some level of ages, they want to married? Can they revoke and get married?

You would reason, yes, they can marry, but they suppose to be not in the monastery/nunnery/friary any longer. Why there is big BUT here?

Again, you answered, it took time before the nun/friar really approved as devoted nun/friar. There will be initiation time for the 'newcomers' to adapt with monastery's life and if they can't enjoy it, they can resign and go back to the world. The ones who remain, they need to make vows to God, to devote themselves to live under unmarried life, under poverty to serve God only and pray for souls for all of their lives.

My friends, have you ever read that Scripture? Who are you to swear with all of your body? Even to stay in monastery, who are you, my friends?

Matthew 5:34-36

But I say to you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shall you swear by your head, because you can not make one hair white or black.

You left all of your family, your own relatives, you secluded yourself from them, asked them to consider you dead. No more connection with them any longer, you want to serve God only, stop caring about your worldly stuff even your own family. You think that's great, but you know what? You are worse than unbeliever if you do that.

1 Timothy 5:8

If anyone does not take care of his own relatives, especially his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever

My friends, I admire their dedication. It takes so much sacrifices to be like them. But what use of your devotion if you are wrongly interprete the Scripture, you will only end up doing commandment of men and worship God in vain.

Matthew 15:9

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Why do I say this? Because I saw so many monks and nuns doing immorality, sex scandals, etc. Their behaviour proves us that they worship God in vain, they want to serve God 100%, but their church doesn't allow them to serve unless they remain unmarried. That's a pity, my friends. And because of them, God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles. You don't care about it, but I do care about God. I love my God with all of my heart, my soul and my mind.

Romans 2:24

God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.

They should start arguing with the church, use Peter as their arguments. Peter also married. And if the church rejected it. Bring these Scripture to them

1 Corinthians 7:2

But because sexual immorality is so rampant, every man should have his own wife, and every woman should have her own husband.

1 Corinthians 7:9

However, if they cannot control themselves, they should get married, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

1 Corinthians 7:28

But if you do get married, you have not sinned. And if a virgin gets married, she has not sinned. However, these people will experience distress in the flesh, and I want to spare you that.

So, the conclusion....celibacy is should be optional. And if the church is still persistance. I would say that that church has already follow deceptive spirits and things taught by demons, come through hypocritical liars. Don't be angry with me first, I just quote from the Bible, if you want to be angry, be angry with God, who wrote the Bible through people led by His Holy Spirit, not to me.

1 Timothy 4:1-4

Now the Spirit says clearly that in the last times some people will abandon the faith by following deceitful spirits, the teachings of demons, and the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences have been burned by a hot iron. They will try to stop people from marrying and from eating certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing should be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving

I am looking forward for you argument about Celibacy...if you have any. May God bless you

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PS: If you have another questions, please refer to http://alvinsu.multiply.com/journal/item/146/. Maybe I have answer for that. God bless you

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